NERF {Vitality Crystal}

[Brassx]

(09-20-2018, 01:50 PM)tobiasxz-usagi Wrote:  if vitality crystals seriously need a nerf than a lot of other things do as well, i kind of see the vitality crystal as a fair way to counter them.

The problem with that logic, is it's a 'counter' across the board. Not just to the select items you're talking about, so in that sense it's not really a 'fair way' to counter them, as it helps counter such a wide variety of items.

Also passing blame saying "other items are OP so why shouldn't this be", is not a very good, constructive, nor positive way of looking at this discussion or the points people made. That adds nothing to this discussion at all, and doesn't change any stance what-so-ever.



Here's how I see the other sides issue:
A vitality crystal is ALMOST the same exact thing as an innocent having body armor. So imagine a world without vitality crystals, and every innocent was a detective with 30% damage reduction. (Vitality crystal is basically 25% damage reduction).

Looking at it that way, I can see the other side, now bundle that with actual detectives or traitors buying body armor. All the sudden you have basically the equivalent to a "162 hp" player running around.

Something that may help is to make it so body armor only applies if at 100 hp or below, that would help lower that 'pseudo hp' amount by a bit. But I don't know if I agree with that.

Some math for you guys to think about:

Lets say, your weapon does 16 damage per shot (vanilla Galil), that means 11.2 (or 11 rounded down) damage per shot with Body Armor. It's also close to the equivalent of 12 Body shot damage with a vitality crystal. Which then means with body armor AND a Vit crystal your damage is now the same as 8.4 damage per shot vs an unarmored, 100hp person. That's a HUGE decrease. By almost HALF of your actual base damage. Now of course this is all relative to the actual weapons basedamage.

Below is charted @ 16 damage per body shot.

• Number of Shots to kill WITHOUT Vit crystal
  • No Body Armor - ~7.
  • With Body Armor - ~9.
    
• Number of Shots to kill WITH Vit crystal
  • No Body Armor - ~8.
  • With Body Armor - ~11.
    

Personally, I can see why this type of crystal is actually sort of needed to tone down some of the OP weapons we definitely have, but at what cost? It also hurts any of the 'more balanced' weapons we have. Thus why I can fully understand both arguments.