(Scamming) The loss of a friend for "Justice"

[Jerk Butt]

Steam Name of Offending Player(s): Atmaisfear

Steam ID of Offending Player(s): STEAM_0:0:71495021

Map the event happened on: N/A

Date of event: May 4th.

What Happened?: My "friend" Atmaisfear dropped a blue dragon egg, I've known him for a long time, we met on NTG over 2 years ago. He's not an FRG regular, He is level 10. I have loaned him things before so I believe this would be no different. I let him know not to sell the egg for anything yet, and to alert me of any offers he gets and I'd help him figure out a good price for it. https://gyazo.com/7ab6259b8341fe07d2689eecd2ccb280 Microboss is offerer number 1 and I'm not really a fan. https://gyazo.com/de933ea32e4dae904cc4f009924152e8
So I get the idea that I want to meme on him and ask Atmaisfear if I can borrow the dragon egg. https://gyazo.com/e16c4a1f10babb28fb99f056595d90b1 He asks me for a thompson to borrow, I say sure I got something you can use basically. https://gyazo.com/65004ead44d0d430e807467d28344326 He doesn't give me the egg in the trade, No big deal. I'll just ask for it in a few rounds. Now this is where I still don't have the egg, I try just trolling without it, but I'd like to be traded it so I can really "sell" the meme. (and for anyone who questions it, I was already dead during the sentence that could be counted as ghosting) https://gyazo.com/525dec28436f8d5e7449a974bd3c207f

Starts dodging questions to borrow it. https://gyazo.com/85fe531c76aa156412c0a2fd814bcb7c


and finally. I asked for my weapon back, since it was clear this wasn't a 2 way level of trust. https://gyazo.com/51d4570ec525b39d43636715c8612269
That was the last message I got before being blocked, ignored, and he promptly turned off trade requests.
I confronted him in lobby after someone else got me to unblock him. He promptly admitted to being gaslit, taking "justice" into his own hands by scamming the scammer.
Proceeded to "fake-out" handing it back to me, told me he was backed by "Brass" and other "staff members." and ignored my pleas to not be this erratic.

Oh and Micro was just being Micro, Gas lighting, Witchhunting, puppeteering another pawn only slightly dumber than he is, the usual.


Witnesses: More people than I can count. Kheyre, Black Knight, Leefighter, Turquoise are some notables.


Evidence:
https://gyazo.com/7ab6259b8341fe07d2689eecd2ccb280
https://gyazo.com/de933ea32e4dae904cc4f009924152e8
https://gyazo.com/e16c4a1f10babb28fb99f056595d90b1
https://gyazo.com/65004ead44d0d430e807467d28344326
https://gyazo.com/525dec28436f8d5e7449a974bd3c207f
https://gyazo.com/85fe531c76aa156412c0a2fd814bcb7c
https://gyazo.com/51d4570ec525b39d43636715c8612269

[Bathory (She/They)]

Edit: Before you read this, keep in mind me and jerk hate eachother, but we both will agree that how this went down isnt good for the community.

I was there for this shitfest when it broke into lobby and was the one who pointed out the rule breaking status of coercing someone into scamming. Little did I know, micro was offering opposite of you for the egg even if your side was a meme. It means he was doing this to convince him to never sell it to you and clearly sell it to him.

Scamming to punish a 'scammer' isnt justice, its theft from a thief. Making no one valorous heroes they pretended to be.

Can the community not be shitbags to eachother by creating this kind of situations.  I'm ashamed this stemmed from a member influencing a new player to do this.  

Atma was adamant about micro spouting the truth about how jerkbutt behaves, and this was justice and all of that, which of course went on over mic so little to no proof it was said.

Ignoring the new player behaving as how he did, Microboss shouldnt have even been coercing him into doing this. It is much worse than himdoing it himself.


Tells him its not ban worthy.


But then litterally seconds later tells him he would +1 an unban appeal, implying he knew it was bannable.

[VictorinoD]

Those convos loot hella sketch from jerks side aswell.

[Poisonous Ass Juice]

I have to agree with VinegaR. This looks sketchy as hell

[Bathory (She/They)]

TBH sketchy as hell is two people who hang out in micros discord come flying out of nowhere in order to attack the same person micro has been attacking for a bit now.

[VictorinoD]

(05-04-2019, 07:58 AM)Bathory Wrote:  TBH sketchy as hell is two people who hang out in micros discord come flying out of nowhere in order to attack the same person micro has been attacking for a bit now.

Just stating what I see in the evidence, no need to out me for providing an opinion in a matter.

[Kazen]

I'm going to play devils advocate here; what's sketchy as hell is a new thread being made and then almost instantly a reply defending said post that absolutely reeks of cooperation. From what I can see I can see a whole lot wrong here from a lot of different people.

[Black Knight]

I just want to state right now that for a fact Jerk butt and bathory hate each other just bathory saw what was going on as a shitty thing for the entire community

[Bathory (She/They)]

People knew he was posting this because of what went on. Besides I was talking to staff about this exact issue prior to the complaint going up. Hence why when you read my statement its neither confirming or denying either sides truth. Instead its focusing on the member who clearly was using atma to get his agenda done.

As I have made it clear before. In a perfect world jerkbutt would have been banned for toxicity or skirting the no scamming rule. But an eye for and eye leaves the world blind.

Besides for scamming, micro is no better as he has been known to be the first person to find a new player who drops something good and then offers a very pitiful offer to them while they are ignorant of the value.


Edit: Jerk even said ingame he didnt want to make the report as long as atma traded it back. But atma continued to refuse. HENCE jerk stated he was gonna post it if he didnt get the item and low and behold here we are.

[TJ1524]

Honestly, I'm not a fan on how atmaisfear thinks that he's 100% in the right. However, I recorded their lobby conversation about 3 or 4 minutes into their argument.